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Ideas for revenge plot
Hello everyone, as you may have noticed there is a take revenge plot in the mod. Unfortunately my imagination isn't endless, so I came up with only 4-5 different events that allow you to fulfill such plot. Now I'd like to add more in the future, so if you have any idea other than the already implemented ones, write it here.
idib816- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Could you please write which have already been implemented? (never used that plot myself). And do you need general ideas or code?
Naoki- Squire
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
For now there is a possibility of sending a girl to castrate the guy, arranging a blood feast, denouncing the immoral conduct of their sons wives, and killing them in duel. Ideas are fine, code is better if it's good.
idib816- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
i cant find the revenge plots..
-Murders,kidnappings(Familiar,lovers,Friends..)
-Seduction of the lover
-imprisonments
-Forgery and theft of land
-false rumors (Reputation sinking)
-Bribes
-Duels
-create a Faction
-Excomunication..
-changing sides to the enemy in a war
-judgments
-Raids,ambush and fire
-Murders,kidnappings(Familiar,lovers,Friends..)
-Seduction of the lover
-imprisonments
-Forgery and theft of land
-false rumors (Reputation sinking)
-Bribes
-Duels
-create a Faction
-Excomunication..
-changing sides to the enemy in a war
-judgments
-Raids,ambush and fire
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iago6666- Knight
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
- get the guy kidnapped and sold to slavery (could be equivalent to death, banishment or templar's "away" trait)
- poison him (death or a poisoned trait which would lower health and some attributes, alternatively the maimed trait could work)
- abuse daughter (impregnating her with a bastard)
- poison him (death or a poisoned trait which would lower health and some attributes, alternatively the maimed trait could work)
- abuse daughter (impregnating her with a bastard)
Naoki- Squire
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Naoki wrote:- get the guy kidnapped and sold to slavery (could be equivalent to death, banishment or templar's "away" trait)
- poison him (death or a poisoned trait which would lower health and some attributes, alternatively the maimed trait could work)
- abuse daughter (impregnating her with a bastard)
It depends on the culture. Selling a rival Christian nobleman into slavery is just not an option. It would be very odd and I don't want to see it every ten years.
Poison is a good thing. Abuse daughter is something quite sordid, especially when it can carry such a bad taint to your family's honour. And you can never control if you'll get her pregnant.
You could, however, kidnap her and force her into marriage with one of your men, a knight of little wealth. Now that's low and knightly!
I'll write some suggestions when I finally find my books on knightly life. Someone should write a book called "History of Revenge". I'd read it.
Cèsar de Quart- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Thanks guys, keep them coming, I'll make good use of them.
idib816- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Doge of Venice. Becomes available after that patrician throws you down the stairs, kicking you out of his party. Acquiring x amount of plot power will initiate a branching event that is spaced out without everything occurring immediately one after the other (possibly that can potentially last generations if reconciliations aren't made), preferably with extra options for high intrigue and high diplomacy.
jquinn914- Squire
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
- spreads epidemics(poisoning the river like The Man Who Would Be King,send sicker bodies,send a procession of lepers)
-make a satire , hire a troubadour(add a modifier Count ridiculed)
-wench with gonorrhea(is more historical than castration)
-converts heirs in monsters by a hired educator
-a fatal accident(jousts,hunts..)
-solve the revenge with a compensation
-burn the crops(famine modifier)
-raid(destroy buildings)
quotes Dente Contrapasso and Machiavelli
-make a satire , hire a troubadour(add a modifier Count ridiculed)
-wench with gonorrhea(is more historical than castration)
-converts heirs in monsters by a hired educator
-a fatal accident(jousts,hunts..)
-solve the revenge with a compensation
-burn the crops(famine modifier)
-raid(destroy buildings)
quotes Dente Contrapasso and Machiavelli
iago6666- Knight
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Most of those sound like something you'd do to an enemy county than strictly someone within your own realm that wronged you. For instance, would you poison a river (if that's even possible) for your own burgher or court?
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
jquinn wrote:Most of those sound like something you'd do to an enemy county than strictly someone within your own realm that wronged you. For instance, would you poison a river (if that's even possible) for your own burgher or court?
You can poison a well.
Being this the Middle Ages, we're assuming nobles in your court don't actually live in your palace, or even in the same town as you. They live at their estates, sometimes they come over, etc.
Cèsar de Quart- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
jquinn wrote:Most of those sound like something you'd do to an enemy county than strictly someone within your own realm that wronged you. For instance, would you poison a river (if that's even possible) for your own burgher or court?
sure.I assumed the player wanted revenge against another Lord.
If he is in your court:
-force him to take the habits.
-Make him the buffon of the court,stableboy..
-blood duel
-ambush in a black alley
-blackmails
-give him a beatintg
-break the courtesans`s rules
-if he has a charge ,make him be fired
-involve him in a false complot againts their ruler.
-apply the Droit du seigneur with his wife
-starting an inquisitorial process
-make him marry with a deceitfull woman
More against the rulers:
-create a Black Legend
-Burn his body in absence
-stealing relics
iago6666- Knight
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
iago6666 wrote:jquinn wrote:Most of those sound like something you'd do to an enemy county than strictly someone within your own realm that wronged you. For instance, would you poison a river (if that's even possible) for your own burgher or court?
sure.I assumed the player wanted revenge against another Lord.
If he is in your court:
-force him to take the habits.
Nice one. Force him or blackmail him into taking the habits, thus leaving him out of the political game, while not ending his life.
Incidentally, the game features too little of lords going into a monastery.
-apply the Droit du seigneur with his wife
Droit du seigneur, althouth still a matter of study, probably didn't exist. Not one single document remains to prove its existance, except for one, suspected to be a forgery for decades. And one single document does not prove this pretended right or custom. Some lords might have corrupted the lord's right to tax a serf woman's dowry, or the tax on marriage (the Merchet or Ferma d'Espoli), but it doesn't seem to be a general thing at all.
Also, even if that right was real, you could not apply it to a nobleman. A vassal is not a serf. While all your vassals are your subjects, they're not all your serfs, and only your noble, intitled (by land or by service) subjects are your vassals. These "bad rights", the Ius Maletractandi is not something you can apply to noblemen. And the game features no commoners (almost no commoners, and in wrong places), so it makes no sense to have something like that here.
-create a Black Legend
That's a good one. You could spread false rumours about:
- Him being incapable and all his sons being bastards. Gets nickname "the Impotent"
- Him being involved in some earlier plot. Gets nickname "the Reckless"
- Him having had intercourse with his mother or sister. Gets nickname "the Incestuous"
- Him being a heretic. Or a sodomite. Gets nickname "the Heathen" or "the Devious"... I'm not sure about the nickname here, though.
Note that not all homosexuals should recieve the nickname "the Sodomite" or something like that. Some people didn't get their nicknames out of hatred, but of flattery or gentle treatment of their memory. Something like "the Gentle", "the Musician" or "the Lover of Delight" has appeared now and then. The last one, for example, belongs to John I of Aragon, "l'Amador de la Gentilesa", aka "the Hunter", because he didn't do much really.
Creating a black legend would be veeery difficult, something availiable to grey eminences and people with high personal intrigue.
-Burn his body in absence
That's enormously harsh and un-Christian. But I guess a posessed devil could get to these heights. Your vassals would be horrified, though.
Cèsar de Quart- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
probably i was lost in translation.
Burn in absence=!"Quemado en efigie",Antonio Perez,Miquel Servet and even Quevedo were symbolically burned, in absentia.
you're right with the Droit du seigneur.
Burn in absence=!"Quemado en efigie",Antonio Perez,Miquel Servet and even Quevedo were symbolically burned, in absentia.
you're right with the Droit du seigneur.
iago6666- Knight
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
iago6666 wrote:probably i was lost in translation.
Burn in absence=!"Quemado en efigie",Antonio Perez,Miquel Servet and even Quevedo were symbolically burned, in absentia.
you're right with the Droit du seigneur.
That might be. Also, it was not uncommon to unearth a corpse in order to burn him posthumously for crimes of heresy.
Or to stage a trial to a corpse. Pope Formosus was not the only one to be judged and declared guilty while sitting on the bench, dead for days. His corpse was retrieved from the grave, put a Papal attire and sit on a bench in a mockery of a trial, following the principle "silence gives consent".
Something like that could be made a decision or event to bring shame to a powerful one's family.
Cèsar de Quart- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Just had the first revenge plot fire against me, the one with the castration I guess. Only that my lustful ruler managed to refuse the offered wench. Would it be possible for lustful rulers to be forced to accept, pretty much the same way it works with the lover event?
Naoki- Squire
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
That's a bit too deterministic, anyhow probably you got the option because of your intrigue.
idib816- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
My intrigue was 7 or 8 and the choice wasn't lighted up as in "special choice". And I get the too deterministic, but since it's already there it does feel weird that for 2 basically identical events I'm once forced into something and the second time not.
Naoki- Squire
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
Maybe you're right, I'll change it.
idib816- Troubadour
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
For some reason, I'm thinking about Rienzi (the Wagner opera) now. How about an event to rape a (male) character's sister, if your character has the cruel/lustful traits?
firelordzuko- Posts : 9
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Re: Ideas for revenge plot
I'm thinking that if the target character has Hunter/Falconer trait to kill his/her favorite mount/animal in cruel manner.
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